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Post by luessenhoff on Nov 10, 2012 18:22:14 GMT 1
Yes indeed the place to stand upon to get into the cab (I think this is what you mean by "torpedo" I don't know the correct English word either) is different as well, that struck me too but I forgot to include it in my post. But the difference is not as striking as the doors because on some other of those wartime pictures they seem to look as short as on the auctioned vehicle... I have seen a lot of rare German WW II vehicles like Hanomag and Büssing half-tracks, but I've never seen such an Adler, that's why I'm so interested in it. I'm sure it is extremely rare. The only Adler cars that you sometimes see on a market are civil limousines but nothing more really ... but even they are quite rare. I believe the Adler is amongst the uniquest of the smaller vehicles in the auction. But it is not well-known, even many German WWII-enthusiasts have never heard of "Adler". Maybe this car could be the "underdog" at this auction to finish at a still "acceptable" price because of the reasons mentioned above? It looks very fun to drive, too ... with that open cab. Oh ... I'm in love I cannot understand how you got papers in Belgium for paperless cars because they are really strict here. Edit: Hans, on this photo the "torpedo" looks more like the one on the auctioned vehicle: up.picr.de/711299.jpg
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Post by Hans on Nov 11, 2012 22:50:56 GMT 1
Well , all i can say is : go for it and hope to get it for a decent price !! Worry about the paperwork later , maybe they changed the laws again by then, as they do so often ;-) !
Here it was also extremely difficult , but heared they softened up a bit , only bad thing here now is , we are going to pay roadtax again , even for such old vehicles !
Hans
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Post by luessenhoff on Dec 10, 2012 9:35:11 GMT 1
Well, the prices at which they have been sold are on the website now.
Some are, as I expected due to the large number of offered vehicles, not so expensive ... others are. The trucks' prices are rather on the low side actually, but quite predictably the half-tracks were "wanted meat".
I didn't participate eventhough I was planning to, but my polite e-mail requesting for only a little more information on one particular vehicle was bluntly ignored. Well, in that way they lost a potentially higher bidder for that vehicle due to their lack of consideration.
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Post by fred on Dec 10, 2012 20:52:11 GMT 1
Hi ,
Saw it all, there are going to be some very disappointed people in the next few weeks when they realise what they have bought.
The prices for the PG 1500 Mannschaftwagen and mEpkw were really stupid, especially as they vary between 50 and 100% fake but still got high prices.
More sensibly the Stoewers were a better buy, like the Kfz 4 Twin MG, at 32,000 USD you at least get a Stoewer chassis and front bodywork plus a very collectable Twin MG mount with two "Panzer" MG 34, so in that case it did not really matter that the rear body was rubbish, it was worth it.
But really cannot believe someone paying 32,000 USD (plus auctions commisions) for that Lorraine Tractor, although not a fake vehicle, they were built in Vichy France during WWII, the Germans never saw them or even knew of their existance, and the regular French Army Lorraine Tractor had 6 wheels per side not 4.
oh well, be interesting to see other comments,
cheers PAUL
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Post by fred on Dec 14, 2012 10:10:35 GMT 1
Hi,
Anybody know where any of these vehicles are headed, all I have heard is that the Stoewer Kfz 4 replica is headed for a Museum in Northern France ?? maybe
cheers paul
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Post by Sd.Kfz. on Dec 26, 2012 3:50:32 GMT 1
---Snip--- For example, the SdKfz 250 called "Grief", again sold before the collection went to the USA, no gearbox, no engine, 100% new made armoured body (but an excellent copy made in France) and the chassis was a shortened by one axle "soft metal" tractor chassis not the armoured chassis of the 250 SPW. Absolutely no original 250 in the vehicle. ---Snip--- So the rumour I heard many years ago is true: The basis for that Sd.Kfz.250 probably was the Sd.Kfz.10 MNH 600108 below. Though, the chassis# was allegedly removed before the chassis left Sweden. Anyone who knows where the "250" is now? In Germany I've heard?
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Post by luessenhoff on Dec 29, 2012 13:47:56 GMT 1
Hello all Some of these vehicles may well turn up for sale on the internet in the next coming months/years? Fred: do you know anything about the Opel Blitz "Omnibus Cab"? I've never seen any wartime picture (or even later !) of such a truck. My guess would be that they were planning to rebuild the Omnibus on the chassis they had found, but due to the difficulty of finding body and parts ... they decided to make up a story and just built another cargo truck... By the way: closer scrutiny on the "1938" Opel Blitz 1,5t revealed that the doors are postwar. Maybe this is just an indication that the complete vehicle is postwar...
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Post by fred on Dec 30, 2012 10:15:32 GMT 1
Hi Luessenhoff,
Well, two typically messed up vehicles from this collection, I also thought the long Blitz was originally an Omnibus, but I understand that it will remain as a truck for ever.
About eight vehicles are going to the ASPHM collection near Strasboug, do you know them ??
But as you say, look at e-bay in the near future. cheers paul
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Post by luessenhoff on Dec 31, 2012 12:01:41 GMT 1
Hi Fred
yes I know them, not personally but I've seen them on the internet. They got some nice collection ! Didn't know they were from Straßburg though.
Oh my god, all in all I'm even more amazed than I was in the beginning about the poor quality of these "restorations."
I also found out how much the Kruse family paid for the entire collection back in 1999-2000. It is quite a lot ...
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Post by loica on Jan 5, 2013 23:35:24 GMT 1
Does anyone know how the auctions ended,
which vehicles were sold?
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Post by loica on Aug 25, 2014 16:46:23 GMT 1
Any news here? Does anyone know how the auctions ended, which vehicles were sold?
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