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Post by fordflathead on Jul 4, 2015 8:42:49 GMT 1
So far all the pictorial "evidence" put on the table has turned out to be something else. The official Ford history gives no proof the F198T saw Wehrmacht service. No genuine data plate has survived on any F198T that gives a production date prior to August 1944. The parts book refered to off course gives an indication that something was going on or being planned between the Germans and the Poissy factory, but does not proove anything materialized into F198Ts being delivered to the Wehrmacht.
Probably tens of thousand Wehrmacht soldiers served in Paris during the war, hundreds of thousands in the rest of France. Hundreds of thousands Allied soldiers fought or transited through France in 1944. Many of these men had personal cameras with them and took a lot of snapshots in the streets of peaceful Paris, of everyday military life throughout France, in battle, and after battle was over. So did civilian French people. Photos by the tens of thousands.
Isn`t it strange that no known photos shows a single F198T in the distance of a street scene, in a German military column, at a battle scene, or in a post battle collecting yard of enemy vehicles? None?
All of us who are interested in old wehicles appreciate a classic truck like the F198T being preserved and restored, and we admire good work being done. The F198T is well worth to preserve. It is no problem fitting it out as a Wehrmacht vehicle. Not at all. The problem starts when owners claim it to be something it is not, and fool unaware buyers to pay big money for fake merchandise. Today I may be the dissapointed victim, tomorrow you may be the looser. Is this how we want it to be?
Fordflathead
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Post by volkswagen on Jul 6, 2015 17:34:33 GMT 1
I utterly disagree with fordflathead's assertions! The body of literature on Maurice Dollfuss alone proves this, I have no reasonable doubt that ssparatrooper's F198T was Wehrmacht I have owned it and am intimately acquainted with it.
As for owner's claims, half truth's and downright lies, I am afraid that no one will ever eradicate it from this hobby! The V3000S I now own had a genuine typenschild - but from another vehicle, it did not match the chassis number and the makers plate on the towing attachment showed 1958 crudely over stamped 1944, the guy I bought it from told me this at the outset but the guy he bought it from did not reveal this. The only maxim that applies is "Caveat Emptor" (Latin, Let the buyer beware), use your knowledge and experience to guide you do not take things at face value and if you are dealing with a vehicle you are unfamiliar with take along someone who does!
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Post by volkswagen on Jul 6, 2015 17:50:50 GMT 1
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Post by ssparatrooper on Jul 7, 2015 21:53:06 GMT 1
I bought this vehicle knowing it was an F198T and i did not pay a lot of money for it, i only found some information of wartime production through the evidence i have put on here, i will do this vehicle in Waffen SS livery to pull my Pak 38 i will enjoy driving it and using it as i do with the other stuff i have.
i will continue to look for a photo to satisfy my own curiosity as it stands in my opinion no one really knows for sure and i have put all of the information i have found on here so others can easily find it, it is what it is a truck and i am very happy with it and how its coming along and i will enjoy driving it around in three color camo covered in foliage living the dream with my mates and at the same time preserving an old truck!
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Post by ssparatrooper on Jul 7, 2015 22:04:46 GMT 1
and apart from the cab all of the parts are identical lol
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Post by ssparatrooper on Jul 7, 2015 23:26:54 GMT 1
found this on a Russian site seems to explain my point?
Under an agreement with the company "Mathis" (Mathis) in 1935 in An-EPE began production of light and medium trucks brand "Matford" (Matford). In 1938, in the town of Poissy, near Paris, was put into operation one of the most modern plants in the time, where he continued to build trucks "Matford." Since June 1940 management of the plant was transferred to the German administration, to start assembling vehicles of the German branch of "Ford" carrying capacity of 3.0 ~ 3.5 m, received index "F" (from the word France). In 1941, they began to use the new engine V8 (3924 cm 3 , 95-100 hp). In the same year created the firm "Matford" infinite-sweaty truck equipped with 3.9-liter V8. It was produced for the German army in a simplified version "F997WS". Since 1944 there is going hybrid models "FG198" with French and German units. In early 1945 it created a new 3.5-ton car "F198T".
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Post by fordflathead on Aug 6, 2015 19:51:36 GMT 1
Firewall identification: Top: 1944-on French Ford F198T (1935 style cab). Middle: 1941-45 wartime German, Dutch & Belgian style V3000. Bottom: 1946-on Köln civilian. |
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Post by ssparatrooper on Aug 10, 2015 22:02:50 GMT 1
why did they change the design of the koln fire wall after the war?
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Post by ssparatrooper on Aug 10, 2015 22:48:59 GMT 1
maybe because the factory was a bit flat?
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Post by ssparatrooper on Sept 20, 2015 23:18:27 GMT 1
I have another stupid question!
why would the French bother to use the designation F198t? as that corresponds to the G198t the German V3000s? that french publication i posted states F198t production 41-44 WHY bother to even use the German designation at all after years of occupation and to print in publications after the war that they was produced in the war?
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Post by ssparatrooper on Sept 25, 2015 21:14:29 GMT 1
 I found this book previewed on google "politics of industrial collaboration during WW2 Ford France" I have bought it but it states French built german model ford 3 ton trucks! So I should get it in a few days so watch this space! |
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Post by ssparatrooper on Sept 26, 2015 22:04:04 GMT 1
So I have the book "the politics of industrial collaboration during ww2" this book is a very in depth study of Ford SAF published in 2014 by Cambridge university and it states from the german and French archives that SAF were indeed making the the german 3 ton model to completion in their factory(s) as well as parts!    Now none of this has been shown here before and it was not included in any book (apart from French publications and the german dienstvorschrift ) to my knowledge Discuss |
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Post by ssparatrooper on Sept 27, 2015 12:44:44 GMT 1
This may also explain the f198t designation ?
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Post by ssparatrooper on Sept 28, 2015 11:58:10 GMT 1
[attachment id="692" thumbnail="1" The ford werke programme was the concentration of production of the German 3ton model the v3000s this would explain the deinstvorschrift and that matches my truck Attachments:
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Post by ssparatrooper on Sept 29, 2015 5:26:33 GMT 1
 Not a great photo but it looks like a wide cab with a curve on the bottom of the door Wiking div |
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